any one on west coast LOD want to do this with me at some point whisper flamessssssss (i think its 8 s's but im not sure what ever the limit is) and sice ive been goen a while im not really up to date on all the glitches so those would help like the str glitch youll need to brg your own org sets lol nty dont think so str glitch is just having lots of items/charms that lets u wear the gear u can see it on ur screen but no one else can and whats a pair of upped gores worth now gores it self is pul or um non-up'ed on current ladder donno about up'ed though u can always just get the runes and up it ur self I don't know how to do str glitch lol but i just wear the stuff that looks cool. All i know is you just need strength charms. i've got 3 lvl ones that i dont feel like taking a week to lvl up to 80-ish so im offering all of their forges (thats a total of 9) to anyone who will bug rush them all the way thru hell usa west aldder ehh its ok